Better Holland outtake: We Got Love or Hard Time?

[aerolls]

Holland fans, I have a question, which outtake from the Holland sessions do you prefer? We Got Love or Hard Time? If you had to pick one to add to final Holland running order, which one would make the cut?

Just curious,

Adrian

[rogerlancelot]

Holland fans, I have a question, which outtake from the Holland sessions do you prefer? We Got Love or Hard Time? If you had to pick one to add to final Holland running order, which one would make the cut?

Just curious,

Adrian

"Hard Time" was recorded shortly after the Holland lp was completed. But what about "Carry Me Home"? I believe it was recorded before the Holland project started but it makes a good leftover contender perhaps.

[aerolls]

You're right, Dennis Carry Me Home. Is the definite one? Love that one,

What if you had to choose b/w Hard Time and We Got Love?

I was worried about that, time wise, even though it was recorded after--still between the two, it's still a tough one I lean towards We Got Love, and you?

[2 and a half]

Hard Time isn't really a song it's more like a sketch (at least the version I've heard) and as such it's great - for about 20 seconds

[The Shift]

The studio version of We Got Love is weak compared to the version on the double live album, which rocks.  In which case I'd have to plumb for Carry Me Home.  Hard Time just ain't any where near a finished piece.

[smile-holland]

I don't consider Hard Time to be an outtake of the Holland album as it was recorded after the album was delivered.I do like it better than We Got Love though. Although the live version of WGL - as John M mentioned is much better.

Choosing between Carry Me Home and WGL is easy: Carry Me Home wins my vote.

Hard Time isn't really a song it's more like a sketch (at least the version I've heard) and as such it's great - for about 20 seconds

I wouldn't consider Hard Time a sketch. The 3:27 version as can be heard on the All This Is That boot sounds like a complete version, albeit a demo perhaps.

Btw, I'm not talking about Hard Times aka Rollin' Up To Heaven.... that one's on a totally different level... 
Btw,

[phirnis]

I'm opting for a Beach Boys version of Spring's "Sweet Mountain". 

Never been a fan of "Hard Time". "We Got Love" is way better. What about "Out in the Country"? Wasn't that recorded around that time as well? It clearly isn't a finished production but judging by what's actually there it would have fit in very well with the likes of "California Saga".

[MBE]

Both are pretty cool. Hard Time I think could have been a follow up to Sail On Sailor had it had more Beach Boys on it. It would have got good FM play.

[smile-holland]

What about "Out in the Country"? Wasn't that recorded around that time as well? It clearly isn't a finished production but judging by what's actually there it would have fit in very well with the likes of "California Saga".

Don't know where (but probably on this board) but I think I read that it was recorded during the C&tP-So Tough sessions

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Ah, found it: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,8454.msg141100.html#msg141100

metal flake paint:  <<Thanks Adam. Could the track you're trying to think of be "Out In The Counrty"?>> AFM says that one was cut at the "Marcella" session (along with something called "Body Talk"), so supposedly the same lineup.  Then there was a big string & banjo overdub later.  But, isn't the booted version more "demo-ish" than "master-ish"? 

[Mikie]

"We Got Love" is pretty good - especially the live version..........but to me "Carry Me Home" edges that and the other ones out. Would love to hear a clearer version of it someday if it exists.

[Smilin Ed H]

According to AGD's site:

Hard Times session - 4 October 72; therefore during the late September/early October session s for Holland

Sail on Sailor session - 28 November 72

Holland released 8 Jan 73

If this is right, while it may bever have been meant for Holland, it was recorded during that period.

But, yeah, Carry Me Home would get my vote.

[Mikie]

In addition to "Carry Me Home", the slow version of "Big Sur" (4/4) would also get my vote. They gotta formally release that one someday.

[drbeachboy]

Hasn't Blondie stated that Hard Time was something that he and Ricky worked on by themselves and was really not intended for any Beach Boys project?

[aerolls]

Holy crap I just found this rare, better quality, Carry Me Home extended version that has Mike Love saying "Ain't that a motherf--" complimenting Dennis on his take. Amazing stuff, insight into the studio experience.

[GuyOnTheBeach]

I'm opting for a Beach Boys version of Spring's "Sweet Mountain". 

I wish they had of recorded that. I even have it worked out in my head who would have sung each part.
Carl would sing the call part of the verse
Mike the response.
All would sing the "Standing there" lines
In the chorus, Mike and Al would harmonize on the lead, Brian, or Bruce (if recorded before he left) would have taken the french bits.
Dennis would have sung the "and it rained on the mountain, the mountain of love" lines... I sometimes wonder if I put too much thought into this stuff 

[Mikie]

Holy crap I just found this rare, better quality, Carry Me Home extended version that has Mike Love saying "Ain't that a motherf--" complimenting Dennis on his take. Amazing stuff, insight into the studio experience.

Mike's "Ain't that a motherf--" line was actually copied from the end of a "Love You" sessions demo from another bootleg and pasted behind "Carry Me Home" by a bootlegger. It doesn't belong there, but since Dennis wrote the song, Mike's statement does sound more dramatic/ironic since Dennis' death.

[aerolls]

It doesn't belong, Sad, man. It fits. Oh well, at least it sounds good. I dig it.

[Mikie]

Me too.  It fits for me.

[Matt H]

Holy crap I just found this rare, better quality, Carry Me Home extended version that has Mike Love saying "Ain't that a motherf--" complimenting Dennis on his take. Amazing stuff, insight into the studio experience.

Mike's "Ain't that a motherf--" line was actually cut from the end of a "Love You" sessions outtake from another bootleg and pasted behind "Carry Me Home" by a bootlegger. It doesn't belong there, but since Dennis wrote the song, Mike's statement does sound more dramatic since Dennis' death.

Isn't that from the demo for "I'll Bet He's Nice?"

[hypehat]

Yep!

[Mikie]

Yes it is.   Brian is playing it on the piano with Mike listening near by.

[Matt H]

Yes it is.   Brian is playing it on the piano with Mike listening near by.

Those are great demos, I love listening to them as well as Still I Dream of It and It's Over Now.  As for Holland, I would add Carry Me Home, if not that one, We Got Love.

[punkinhead]

I'll say We Got Love. The feel/vibe of the song fits more with the Holland album...let alone it has a Mike Love-writing credit, so it has another point of credibility. 

Was Hard Times written by Ricky/Blondie or anyone else?

[smile-holland]

Was Hard Times written by Ricky/Blondie or anyone else?

Just Ricky and Blondie.

[punkinhead]

Had Hard Times been written in time to perform for the BB In Concert album, I think it would have been a good rocker/inclusion for the live album.